Capitlism vs. Free Enterprise

[Cedar]

Romping on the horsey thread, whose author is wont to brag about his view count. Hey, the public has spoken. Twice - louder the second time.

Capitlism vs. Free Enterprise

I gotta get my eyes checked....for two weeks I didn't notice.

[Cannonpointer]

Capitlism vs. Free Enterprise

I gotta get my eyes checked....for two weeks I didn't notice.

Damn. I think I'll leave that **** - unbelievable. My IQ just lifted... "Look out! He's on that capitilism kick again - you know how he gets..."

[Bigsky]

Damn. I think I'll leave that **** - unbelievable. My IQ just lifted... "Look out! He's on that capitilism kick again - you know how he gets..."

hey cannon, how congrats on your thread...change any minds or hearts? or is this site full of heartless mindless ****?

[danobivins]

hey cannon, how congrats on your thread...change any minds or hearts? or is this site full of heartless mindless ****?

Ahhh..a self-aware ****.

[Bigsky]

Ahhh..a self-aware ****.

yuck it up ******....id whoop your *** and you know it

[Huey]

I am sure that you will defend your "values" as they are handed down by neocon websites, son. You were not born being a torture supporter. You didn't pick it up in school or church or the elks club, big government boy.

Your pretense that the purple stains around your mouth are not from koolaid? No one of ANY stripe is buying, kid.

Yup, a tacit surrender on the topic. Whenever he brings up "torture" on a given subject you know he can no longer coherently discuss the subject at hand. Nor does he want to because the more in depth a subject goes the more his disdain for the consitution and individual liberty is revealed.

[Bigsky]

Yup, a tacit surrender on the topic. Whenever he brings up "torture" on a given subject you know he can no longer coherently discuss the subject at hand. Nor does he want to because the more in depth a subject goes the more his disdain for the consitution and individual liberty is revealed.

look, cannon is right about this...this country started out free enterprise, we are now welfare capitalists...we can either go into socialism...WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE HEADED...or just take a conservative u turn and go back to free enterprise..there is no constitutional right to a stock market or a federal reserve...none what so ever...i would argue that the constitution is against such entities

[Cedar]

hey cannon, how congrats on your thread...change any minds or hearts? or is this site full of heartless mindless ****?

Yea I'm still here.

[Huey]

look, cannon is right about this...this country started out free enterprise, we are now welfare capitalists...we can either go into socialism...WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE HEADED...or just take a conservative u turn and go back to free enterprise..there is no constitutional right to a stock market or a federal reserve...none what so ever...i would argue that the constitution is against such entities

How much of the thread have you read? I gave a lengthy response to his post that discusses that stuff a couple of days ago.

[Bigsky]

How much of the thread have you read? I gave a lengthy response to his post that discusses that stuff a couple of days ago.

not much..it is toooooo long...what post was your lengthy response? i would like to read the response...so long as it isnt toooo lenghty

[Huey]

I agree with.



I disagree with you in general. As far as media ownership, although the 1996 Telecommunications Act signed by Clinton severly relaxed media ownership rules it is still not a free for all. I used to work in the industry and am familiar with them. Here is a website that will explain the existing rules:

http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?b=2030875&c=dkLNK1MQIwG

Your second idea is an example of an overreaching fed gov. Telling people what stocks they can own, what boards they can serve on is border line fascism.


I agree. Compaines, corporations, wall street, should sink or swim on their own.



I agree to returning to state appointed senators with term limits. Quite a few states are working on creating a constitutional conventional with that as one of the topics. Add term limits to both the house and the senate.



I agree.



Disagree. Citizens United, and the concept of unions, organizations, and yes, corporations which are all discussed in citizens united says that a group of people do not lose their rights because they are part of an organization. GE is not a person. A Union is not a person. But those that comprimise the group are. And they do not lose their rights because they formed a group.

For bigsky. Go to the actual post to see the context.

[Bigsky]

For bigsky. Go to the actual post to see the context.

i will say that to have an economic system that has a federal reserve, an irs, a stock market, a progressive tax system and a few mega rich mother **** influencing our legislative process...we will never be as free as we should be. so now we have politicians telling their constituents that their billionaire is better than our billionaire and even though it is in the ten commandments that unions should be able to influence politics...corporations cant...dude i am wanting to end the lies told by politicians and the enabling that politicians do to get votes...the way to do this is to get rid of all this government funded crap and KEEP IT SIMPLE...and that my friend is free enterprise

[Huey]

i will say that to have an economic system that has a federal reserve, an irs, a stock market, a progressive tax system and a few mega rich mother **** influencing our legislative process...we will never be as free as we should be. so now we have politicians telling their constituents that their billionaire is better than our billionaire and even though it is in the ten commandments that unions should be able to influence politics...corporations cant...dude i am wanting to end the lies told by politicians and the enabling that politicians do to get votes...the way to do this is to get rid of all this government funded crap and KEEP IT SIMPLE...and that my friend is free enterprise

I don't disagree with you. Yes the koch brothers are trying to influence elections. The other side of the coin is so are Buffett and Soros. And all of them do it for the benefit of their companies. Where the problem is most don't want to admit that the billionaires on their side are doing for their own purpose, not altuistic reasons. So the cycle continues.

On the other hand in order to reverse citizen's united, (the part of the conversation you joined at) we would have to remove the freedom of association, liberties, from all these different groups of people. Not sure I support doing just that. A basic understanding of what citizen's united actually did is needed as well. It does not allow corporations, unions, non profit corporations, etc to pour unlimited amounts into campaigns. It does not allow foreign money to be used. It does not allow direct contributions from unions or corporations. It simply addresses the electonic electioneering aspect. I blame the President for the misconceptions and the left, all stemming from his SOTU address where he "lied" about what that decision does. So we get these progressive posters spewing garbage that is not true.

[GeorgeWashington]

not much..it is toooooo long...what post was your lengthy response? i would like to read the response...so long as it isnt toooo lenghty

You can click on the eye in the user section of a post to show only that user's posts in the thread

[Bigsky]

I don't disagree with you. Yes the koch brothers are trying to influence elections. The other side of the coin is so are Buffett and Soros. And all of them do it for the benefit of their companies. Where the problem is most don't want to admit that the billionaires on their side are doing for their own purpose, not altuistic reasons. So the cycle continues.

On the other hand in order to reverse citizen's united, (the part of the conversation you joined at) we would have to remove the freedom of association, liberties, from all these different groups of people. Not sure I support doing just that. A basic understanding of what citizen's united actually did is needed as well. It does not allow corporations, unions, non profit corporations, etc to pour unlimited amounts into campaigns. It does not allow foreign money to be used. It does not allow direct contributions from unions or corporations. It simply addresses the electonic electioneering aspect. I blame the President for the misconceptions and the left, all stemming from his SOTU address where he "lied" about what that decision does. So we get these progressive posters spewing garbage that is not true.

i agree with all you said...where we differ is that i dont believe that this country needs publicly traded corporations. we need jean makers in every state...auto makers all over the country...we need many fail safes...our economy should not be tied to a stock market...i dont even dabble in the **** thing and it determines my financial future? well that is ****...i should be able to do that not some **** in new york...do away with all of it i say...

[Cannonpointer]

On the other hand in order to reverse citizen's united, (the part of the conversation you joined at) we would have to remove the freedom of association, liberties, from all these different groups of people.

How is that?

How were people being denied those rights before citizens united?

Are corporations people, my friend? Are corporations people? Because THAT is what I find in you, when all of the **** and flowers are past - Mitt's mutt, mouthing mixed up monkey malarkey like a moronic mook.

God created people. People created corporations. Corporations created morons. Morons bought the idea that corporations are people. So, what came first, the chicken or the progressive, nanny state, neocon asswipe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlPQkd_AA6c

[Cedar]

How is that?

How were people being denied those rights before citizens united?

Are corporations people, my friend? Are corporations people? Because THAT is what I find in you, when all of the **** and flowers are past - Mitt's mutt, mouthing mixed up monkey malarkey like a moronic mook.

God created people. People created corporations. Corporations created morons. Morons bought the idea that corporations are people. So, what came first, the chicken or the progressive, nanny state, neocon asswipe?

Are unions people?

[Bigsky]

Are unions people?

hell yeah...they are an eighth day creation...but created by god almighty they were...there are four races...mongoloid negroid white and union

[Cannonpointer]

Are unions people?

Yes, in the same way that pillow shams are people.

Your turn. Are trampolines people?

[Cedar]

Yes, in the same way that pillow shams are people.

Your turn. Are trampolines people?

Do they have money to buy politicians? Then I would say no.