Capitalism loses out to Socialism, per Heritage Foundation

[RichClem]

Most historians lament the repeal of the Glass Steagall banking act. I will trust them over an internet professor like Richclem who openly claimed he doesn't have any regard for science and academic standards.

Why are you citing (liberal) historians on a matter of Economics, moonbat?

That's almost like consulting a plumber about brain surgery.

And where have I ever said I don't "have any regard for science and academic standards?"


Can you quote me? No, of course not.

Moonbats never do, or they utterly bungle the clear English of what I wrote.

[TotallyRad]

So the banks, free from regulation decided to mix their commercial and retail banking without facing the consequences. Naturally, They decided to be responsible and NOT hand out subprime mortgages like candy. Nor did they chose to create a whole lotta toxic assets to offset their responsible behavior.

Quick, Someone call me a MOONBAT!

[shintao]

So do we..... Medicare, Medicaid, VA, Social Security, public schools, subsidized state colleges, student loans..... Does that make us socialist, RETARD?

Subsidized business, energy, etc. I say it does, we just don't do socialism very good yet, and you are lulled into your sleep mode a lil early in the day.

[Str8tEdge]

Subsidized business, energy, etc. I say it does, we just don't do socialism very good yet, and you are lulled into your sleep mode a lil early in the day.

WHAT is socialism, RETARD?

[MotherJonses]

Ignoring the actual definition of Socialism; which is either government ownership or effective control by government of the private sector.

That's roughly the opposite of Heritage's ranking.

The psycho also ignores the significant if not massive changes in these countries. Canada, for example, slashed government spending by half relative to GDP and has stated its intent to reform their health care system by Free Market Principles.

Sweden faced economic collapse from the weight of its welfare state roughly 20 years ago and has moved strongly toward Free Market reform ever since.

To cite just two examples.

Are they totally reformed? No, of course not, but ranking high on Heritage's index puts them near the top of the freest, least Socialist countries on Earth.

The ranking is relative, moonbat.
Since when is "proper regulation" thousands of pages if not tens of thousands of pages that micro manage a corporation's behavior, as Obamacare and Dodd-Frank do?

That is not the list that Heritage put on their site. Their list is only the freeist - it does not mention "least Socialist" that one is all you.
And you keep mentioning this snipe "Free Market" can you provide a single example of an actual free market?
Also - just because these nations used what you call a "free market reform" does not change the fact that they still have socialized medicine, retirement and secondary education. Those are not the things that they culled from the budget to make it work.
You are bleating about the wrong thing,

[littlehawk12]

That is not the list that Heritage put on their site. Their list is only the freeist - it does not mention "least Socialist" that one is all you.
And you keep mentioning this snipe "Free Market" can you provide a single example of an actual free market?
Also - just because these nations used what you call a "free market reform" does not change the fact that they still have socialized medicine, retirement and secondary education. Those are not the things that they culled from the budget to make it work.
You are bleating about the wrong thing,

So Cannonhomo lied and made the list out to mean what he wants it to mean, not what it actually means. Thanks for clarifying this.

[Str8tEdge]

That is not the list that Heritage put on their site. Their list is only the freeist - it does not mention "least Socialist" that one is all you.
And you keep mentioning this snipe "Free Market" can you provide a single example of an actual free market?
Also - just because these nations used what you call a "free market reform" does not change the fact that they still have socialized medicine, retirement and secondary education. Those are not the things that they culled from the budget to make it work.
You are bleating about the wrong thing,

Free market is the opposite of socialism.

Free market----------------------------capitalism(some form of government regulation)-----------------------------------------------------socialism(government controls the economy)

Free market=consumers choose what is produced and have private property rights

Capitalism=government has some regulations in place that regulate the economy

Socialism=government controls what is produced and how with no private property rights AKA North Korea and Cuba

Just because a country has "socialized" medical services available doesn't make it socialist...... Now if ALL HOSPITALS, ALL PHYSICIANS AND ALL MEDICAL CARE IS UNDER THE DIRECTION OF GOVERNMENT AND PRIVATE HEALTHCARE IS MADE ILLEGAL, THEN THEIR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM WOULD BE CONSIDERED SOCIALIST..... BUT OBVIOUSLY HEALTHCARE IS ONLY ONE PART OF THE ECONOMY......

There are only a handful of true socialist countries because socialism is such a HUGE FAILURE. All European countries have varying degrees of free market forces and private property rights AKA capitalist.

The world has recognized that the most effective and efficient method of driving economies is by giving consumers the freedom to choose WHAT they wish to consume and the private property rights in order to produce said consumables/services.

[Str8tEdge]

The debate ended with the falling of the Soviet Union and yet.... we still have brain dead retarded progressives attempting to tout the "benefits" of socialism when all they're really clamoring for are various degrees of cradle to grave nanny state government. All powered by CAPITALISM, OF COURSE.....

**** progressive losers.

[littlehawk12]

They could care less what economic system is being used, so long as they get their welfare checks, food stamps, and Obamaphones.

[Str8tEdge]

They could care less what economic system is being used, so long as they get their welfare checks, food stamps, and Obamaphones.

Actually they DO care....As capitalism produces a larger host to suck dry.

THIS is why you see modern day progressives support Wall Street, banks and government fascism.

[MotherJonses]

So Cannonhomo lied and made the list out to mean what he wants it to mean, not what it actually means. Thanks for clarifying this.

Sorry, pathetic *******, but if you check the actual heritage site it does not say least socialist.

[Str8tEdge]

Sorry, pathetic *******, but if you check the actual heritage site it does not say least socialist.

Q.1. What is economic freedom?
Economic freedom is the fundamental right of every human to control his or her own labor and property. In an economically free society, individuals are free to work, produce, consume, and invest in any way they please. In economically free societies, governments allow labor, capital and goods to move freely, and refrain from coercion or constraint of liberty beyond the extent necessary to protect and maintain liberty itself.

That's the EXACT opposite of socialism you **** MORON.....

[littlehawk12]

Sorry, pathetic *******, but if you check the actual heritage site it does not say least socialist.

LMAO! Thanks for proving my point! ******* Smelly ****!

[shintao]

WHAT is socialism, RETARD?

well idiot it isn't free market *******, and neither is America dumb ****~~~

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy,[
1][
2] as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.[
3][
4] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.[
5] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[
6] They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organised within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.[
7]
A socialist economic system is based on the organisational precept of production for use, meaning the production of goods and services to directly satisfy economic demand and human needs where objects are valued based on their use-value or utility, as opposed to being structured upon the accumulation of capital and production for profit.[
8] In the traditional conception of a socialist economy, coordination, accounting and valuation would be performed in kind (using physical quantities), by a common physical magnitude, or by a direct measure of labour-time in place of financial calculation.[
9][
10] On distribution of output there have been two proposals, one which is based on the principle of to each according to his contribution and another on the principle of from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. The advisability, feasibility and exact methods of resource allocation and valuation are the subject of the socialist calculation debate.
The socialist political movement includes a diverse array of political philosophies. Core dichotomies within the socialist movement include the distinction between reformism and revolutionary socialism and between state socialism and libertarian socialism. State socialism calls for the nationalisation of the means of production as a strategy for implementing socialism, while libertarian socialists generally place their hopes in decentralized means of direct democracy such as libertarian municipalism, citizens' assemblies, trade unions, and workers' councils[
11] coming from a general anti-authoritarian stance.[
12][
13][
14][
15][
16][
17][
18] Democratic socialism highlights the central role of democratic processes and political systems and is usually contrasted with non-democratic political movements that advocate socialism.[
19] Some socialists have adopted the causes of other social movements, such as environmentalism, feminism and liberalism.[
20]
Modern socialism originated from an 18th-century intellectual and working class political movement that criticised the effects of industrialisation and private property on society. The revival of republicanism in the American Revolution of 1776 and the egalitarian values introduced by the French Revolution of 1789 gave rise to socialism as a distinct political movement. In the early 19th century, "socialism" referred to any concern for the social problems of capitalism irrespective of the solutions to those problems. However, by the late 19th century, "socialism" had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for an alternative post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership.[
21] During this time, German philosopher Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels published works criticizing the utopian aspects of contemporary socialist trends and applied a materialist understanding of socialism as a phase of development which will come about through social revolution instigated by escalating and conflicting class relationships within capitalism.[
22] Alongside this there appeared other tendencies such as anarchism, revolutionary syndicalism, social-democracy, Marxism–Leninism and democratic socialism as well as the confluence of socialism with anti-imperialist and anti-racist struggles around the world. The socialist movement came to be the most influential worldwide movement and political-economic worldview of the 20th century.[
23] Today, socialist parties and ideas remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence in all continents leading national governments in many countries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
That help you *******?

[Str8tEdge]

well idiot it isn't free market *******, and neither is America dumb ****~~~

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy,[
1][
2] as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.[
3][
4] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.[
5] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[
6] They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organised within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.[
7]
A socialist economic system is based on the organisational precept of production for use, meaning the production of goods and services to directly satisfy economic demand and human needs where objects are valued based on their use-value or utility, as opposed to being structured upon the accumulation of capital and production for profit.[
8] In the traditional conception of a socialist economy, coordination, accounting and valuation would be performed in kind (using physical quantities), by a common physical magnitude, or by a direct measure of labour-time in place of financial calculation.[
9][
10] On distribution of output there have been two proposals, one which is based on the principle of to each according to his contribution and another on the principle of from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. The advisability, feasibility and exact methods of resource allocation and valuation are the subject of the socialist calculation debate.
The socialist political movement includes a diverse array of political philosophies. Core dichotomies within the socialist movement include the distinction between reformism and revolutionary socialism and between state socialism and libertarian socialism. State socialism calls for the nationalisation of the means of production as a strategy for implementing socialism, while libertarian socialists generally place their hopes in decentralized means of direct democracy such as libertarian municipalism, citizens' assemblies, trade unions, and workers' councils[
11] coming from a general anti-authoritarian stance.[
12][
13][
14][
15][
16][
17][
18] Democratic socialism highlights the central role of democratic processes and political systems and is usually contrasted with non-democratic political movements that advocate socialism.[
19] Some socialists have adopted the causes of other social movements, such as environmentalism, feminism and liberalism.[
20]
Modern socialism originated from an 18th-century intellectual and working class political movement that criticised the effects of industrialisation and private property on society. The revival of republicanism in the American Revolution of 1776 and the egalitarian values introduced by the French Revolution of 1789 gave rise to socialism as a distinct political movement. In the early 19th century, "socialism" referred to any concern for the social problems of capitalism irrespective of the solutions to those problems. However, by the late 19th century, "socialism" had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for an alternative post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership.[
21] During this time, German philosopher Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels published works criticizing the utopian aspects of contemporary socialist trends and applied a materialist understanding of socialism as a phase of development which will come about through social revolution instigated by escalating and conflicting class relationships within capitalism.[
22] Alongside this there appeared other tendencies such as anarchism, revolutionary syndicalism, social-democracy, Marxism–Leninism and democratic socialism as well as the confluence of socialism with anti-imperialist and anti-racist struggles around the world. The socialist movement came to be the most influential worldwide movement and political-economic worldview of the 20th century.[
23] Today, socialist parties and ideas remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence in all continents leading national governments in many countries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
That help you *******?

Yes, none of what I mentioned is socialism. Anything else, *******?

[MotherJonses]

LMAO! Thanks for proving my point! ******* Smelly ****!

So you are saying that Cannon is so powerful that the Heritage website bends itself to his will and changes to say what he wants?
How does you wife feel about that man crush you have on him?

[MotherJonses]

well idiot it isn't free market *******, and neither is America dumb ****~~~

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy,[
1][
2] as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.[
3][
4] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.[
5] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[
6] They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organised within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.[
7]
A socialist economic system is based on the organisational precept of production for use, meaning the production of goods and services to directly satisfy economic demand and human needs where objects are valued based on their use-value or utility, as opposed to being structured upon the accumulation of capital and production for profit.[
8] In the traditional conception of a socialist economy, coordination, accounting and valuation would be performed in kind (using physical quantities), by a common physical magnitude, or by a direct measure of labour-time in place of financial calculation.[
9][
10] On distribution of output there have been two proposals, one which is based on the principle of to each according to his contribution and another on the principle of from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. The advisability, feasibility and exact methods of resource allocation and valuation are the subject of the socialist calculation debate.
The socialist political movement includes a diverse array of political philosophies. Core dichotomies within the socialist movement include the distinction between reformism and revolutionary socialism and between state socialism and libertarian socialism. State socialism calls for the nationalisation of the means of production as a strategy for implementing socialism, while libertarian socialists generally place their hopes in decentralized means of direct democracy such as libertarian municipalism, citizens' assemblies, trade unions, and workers' councils[
11] coming from a general anti-authoritarian stance.[
12][
13][
14][
15][
16][
17][
18] Democratic socialism highlights the central role of democratic processes and political systems and is usually contrasted with non-democratic political movements that advocate socialism.[
19] Some socialists have adopted the causes of other social movements, such as environmentalism, feminism and liberalism.[
20]
Modern socialism originated from an 18th-century intellectual and working class political movement that criticised the effects of industrialisation and private property on society. The revival of republicanism in the American Revolution of 1776 and the egalitarian values introduced by the French Revolution of 1789 gave rise to socialism as a distinct political movement. In the early 19th century, "socialism" referred to any concern for the social problems of capitalism irrespective of the solutions to those problems. However, by the late 19th century, "socialism" had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for an alternative post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership.[
21] During this time, German philosopher Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels published works criticizing the utopian aspects of contemporary socialist trends and applied a materialist understanding of socialism as a phase of development which will come about through social revolution instigated by escalating and conflicting class relationships within capitalism.[
22] Alongside this there appeared other tendencies such as anarchism, revolutionary syndicalism, social-democracy, Marxism–Leninism and democratic socialism as well as the confluence of socialism with anti-imperialist and anti-racist struggles around the world. The socialist movement came to be the most influential worldwide movement and political-economic worldview of the 20th century.[
23] Today, socialist parties and ideas remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence in all continents leading national governments in many countries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
That help you *******?

Excellent definition but since it does not suit their meme they will ignore it. You can't fix stupid.

[shintao]

Yes, none of what I mentioned is socialism. Anything else, *******?

Yeah pig boy, A market economy based on supply and demand with no government control. A completely free market is an idealized form of a market economy where buyers and sellers are allowed to transact freely based on a mutual agreement on price without state intervention in the form of taxes, subsidies or regulation. America is NOT free market, you never seen a free market, so shut your **** face!!!!!!!!!

[littlehawk12]

So you are saying that Cannon is so powerful that the Heritage website bends itself to his will and changes to say what he wants?
How does you wife feel about that man crush you have on him?

More airhead stupidity. You are dumber than a box of rocks.

And how does your husband feel about all that dick you suck for crack every nite?

[MotherJonses]

More airhead stupidity. You are dumber than a box of rocks.

And how does your husband feel about all that dick you suck for crack every nite?

Again with sexual activity used as an insult..and you **** wonder why the right is accused of waging war on women.