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  9,268 15 Jul 2017, 7:54 am

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Are we seeing the beginning of the end of the Russian investigation?

After it's over maybe they will investigate the collusion between dems and Ukraine.

They might just find a "Something Burger" in such an investigation.

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roadkill » 15 Jul 2017 7:54 am wrote:
Are we seeing the beginning of the end of the Russian investigation?

After it's over maybe they will investigate the collusion between dems and Ukraine.

They might just find a "Something Burger" in such an investigation.


It isn't going to end anytime soon, my friend. It's all the dems have and the whole intent is to stop the Trump agenda from taking form. And if that happens, it's a death sentence to the party for years to come. They know that.
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Why they lawyered up for a bunch of nothing?
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  9,268 16 Jul 2017, 5:11 am

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TonySplacci » 15 Jul 2017 12:55 pm wrote:
Why they lawyered up for a bunch of nothing?



Because people have to protect themselves...even innocent people. It's too bad someone had to explain that to you.


Let's get back to what a liberal law professor says about Trump Jr...


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  9,268 16 Jul 2017, 6:05 am

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Now show us where the crime in this is...or are you just stupid?


Now show us Hillary's campaign doing the same thing with the Ukrainians is different?


Then we can talk about the collusion and affiliation between Hillary's campaign and Fusion GPS.


These people are connected to Russia...Hillary and Podesta got big payoffs due to their connections with the Russians.
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TonySplacci » 15 Jul 2017 12:55 pm wrote:
Why they lawyered up for a bunch of nothing?

Why do mother fuckers climb mountains? Because they are there
Why do mother fuckers hang niggers from trees? Because a trees gotta have something to do...even if it's supporting a filthy nigger...same thing with lawyers...we got em so we use em
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Hey...where did you come from? Welcome to conservatives only chat room...well that's not the official title...but since this isn't a safe space it's been void of libs lately...nice to see you found yer balls...welcome back nigger
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roadkill » 16 Jul 2017 6:05 am wrote:

Now show us where the crime in this is...or are you just stupid?

Now show us Hillary's campaign doing the same thing with the Ukrainians is different?

Then we can talk about the collusion and affiliation between Hillary's campaign and Fusion GPS.

These people are connected to Russia...Hillary and Podesta got big payoffs due to their connections with the Russians.

This whole Trump Russia collusion lie was created to create cover for Hillary's collusion. Ladd is being played by a loser...
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Too stupid to know what collusion is, huh? :rofl:
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  9,268 16 Jul 2017, 6:19 am

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bigsky » 16 Jul 2017 6:10 am wrote:
This whole Trump Russia collusion lie was created to create cover for Hillary's collusion. Ladd is being played by a loser...



Also to cover for Hillary's second loss at the presidency.


Even dems like Dershowitz and Kucinich are saying there's nothing there, and what has been discovered is not a crime. It's no different than what Hillary did.


And yes...the left has to saturate the media to avoid any of Hillary's crimes and collusion from being covered.


The only collusion is by dems and the MSM since this whole thing began.


But all this crap works well on onlyaladd...:)


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I like this guy's commentary...


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1. Where is the proof the lawyer was connected to the kremlin?
2. Where is the alleged incriminating documents concerning Clinton?
3. If we are taking the emails and story at face value nothing was discussed at the meeting concerning Hilary.
3. Since all the stories about collusion concerning these emails are speculative let's speculate. Is it possible that either the meeting was a setup OR the incriminating evidence was a PRETENSE to get a meeting to discuss the adoption issue?
At this point there is no evidence of collusion, no evidence of documents, and no evidence that the 20 minute meeting was any other than what has been published.
Lastly, who leaked this?
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Huey » 16 Jul 2017 7:30 am wrote:

1. Where is the proof the lawyer was connected to the kremlin?
2. Where is the alleged incriminating documents concerning Clinton?
3. If we are taking the emails and story at face value nothing was discussed at the meeting concerning Hilary.
3. Since all the stories about collusion concerning these emails are speculative let's speculate. Is it possible that either the meeting was a setup OR the incriminating evidence was a PRETENSE to get a meeting to discuss the adoption issue?
At this point there is no evidence of collusion, no evidence of documents, and no evidence that the 20 minute meeting was any other than what has been published.
Lastly, who leaked this?


Let's look at what the MSM doesn't want to talk about...she is kinda cute. ;)

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Let me set you straight. This is a little long but it corrects obvious errors with your meme. Additionally, if you are going to claim the story is true you next have to address the facts that the documents showed your candidate accepting foreign money from Russia. do you accept that? But, if this story is true from AP your talking point has crashed and burned.

https://apnews.com/dceed1008d8f45afb314 ... 's-meeting

Russian-American lobbyist joined Trump’s son’s meeting, too

WASHINGTON (AP) — A prominent Russian-American lobbyist and former Soviet military officer attended a meeting with President Donald Trump’s son, son-in-law and campaign chairman last year, the lobbyist said Friday, adding a new wrinkle to the Trump team’s evolving explanations about the June 2016 session.

Rinat Akhmetshin confirmed his involvement to The Associated Press in an interview. He had not been previously identified as a participant in the meeting at Trump Tower in New York, which was billed as part of a Russian government effort to help the Republican’s White House campaign.


A Russian-American lobbyist says he attended a June 2016 meeting with President Donald Trump’s son, marking another shift in the account of a discussion that was billed as part of a Russian government effort to help Trump’s campaign. (July 14)

The meeting has heightened questions about whether Trump’s associates coordinated with Russia to meddle in the presidential election — to help him and thwart Hillary Clinton — and whether they’ve been forthcoming about their foreign contacts. Federal and congressional investigators are probing possible connections between the campaign and Moscow.

Akhmetshin has been reported to have ties to Russian intelligence, a characterization he dismisses as a “smear campaign.” He’s a well-known Washington presence, lobbying for Russian interests trying to undermine the allegations of a lawyer who died in a Russian prison and is the namesake of a U.S. sanctions law.

Akhmetshin told the AP he served in the Soviet military in a unit that was part of counterintelligence but he was never formally trained as a spy.

In emails posted by Donald Trump Jr. earlier this week, a music publicist said he arranged the meeting because a Russian lawyer wanted to pass on negative information about Democrat Clinton. The go-between stated that the discussion was part of a Russian government effort to help the GOP candidate.

While Trump Jr. has confirmed that Russian attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya was in the meeting, he has not disclosed Akhmetshin’s presence. The president’s son has publicly discounted the meeting, saying he did not receive the information he was promised.

In a statement Sunday, Trump Jr. said the attorney had said she had information that people tied to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Clinton, a description that Akhmetshin backed up in his interview with the AP.

In his first public interview about the meeting, Akhmetshin said he accompanied Veselnitskaya to Trump Tower where they met an interpreter. He said he had learned about the meeting only that day when Veselnitskaya asked him to attend. He said he showed up in jeans and a T-shirt.

Veselnitskaya brought with her a plastic folder with printed-out documents that detailed what she believed was the flow of illicit funds to the Democrats, Akhmetshin said. Veselnitskaya presented the contents of the documents to the Trump associates and suggested that making the information public could help the campaign, he said.

“This could be a good issue to expose how the DNC is accepting bad money,” Akhmetshin recalled her saying.

Trump Jr. asked the attorney if she had sufficient evidence to back up her claims, including whether she could demonstrate the flow of the money. But Veselnitskaya said the Trump campaign would need to research it more. After that, Trump Jr. lost interest, according to Akhmetshin.

“They couldn’t wait for the meeting to end,” he said
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Akhmetshin said he does not know if Veselnitskaya’s documents were provided by the Russian government. He said he thinks she left the materials with the Trump associates. It was unclear if she handed the documents to anyone in the room or simply left them behind, he said.

Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and current White House senior adviser, and then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort also attended the meeting. Akhmetshin said he recognized Kushner and Trump Jr. He also said he recognized Manafort because they worked in “adjacent political circles” but never together.

He said there were others in the room but he didn’t know them. Publicist Rob Goldstone, who brokered the meeting via email with Trump Jr., has told the AP that he was there.

Asked about Akhmetshin’s participation, Manafort spokesman Jason Maloni declined comment. Trump Jr.’s attorney did not respond to inquiries, nor did a spokesman for Kushner. Veselnitskaya has denied having any ties to the Russian government. When reached by the AP this week, she declined comment. She did not respond to additional attempts to contact her Friday.

The confirmation of Akhmetshin’s participation in the meeting drew swift reaction from the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, Rep. Adam Schiff of California, who said he wanted Akhmetshin to appear before the committee and provide “any relevant documents and information.”

Schiff said whether Akhmetshin is connected to Russian intelligence or not “it is clear the Kremlin got the message that Donald Trump welcomed the help of the Russian government in providing dirt on Hillary Clinton.” Schiff said Trump Jr.’s omission of Akhmetshin’s role in his public account of the meeting and the president’s son’s shifting explanations “paint a portrait of consistent dissembling and deceit.”

Kushner disclosed the meeting on his security clearance paperwork, but Schiff said the Akhmetshin revelation raises questions about how much Kushner disclosed about it. He said he believes Kushner’s clearance should be reviewed, and “if he was not perfectly candid,” the clearance should be revoked.

Akhmetshin, who spoke to the AP while on vacation in France where he said he has been surfing, said the meeting was “not substantive” and he “actually expected more serious” discussion.

“I never thought this would be such a big deal, to be honest,” he said.

The Russian government has denied any involvement or knowledge of the June 2016 meeting. Asked Friday about Akhmetshin, Russian President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, told reporters: “We don’t know anything about this person.”

Akhmetshin has been identified in media reports as a former officer in Russia’s military intelligence service known as the GRU. He has denied that, saying he served in the Soviet Army from 1986 to 1988 after he was drafted but was not trained in spy tradecraft. He said his unit operated in the Baltics and was “loosely part of counterintelligence.”

Akhmetshin said he has not been contacted by the U.S. special counsel’s office or the FBI about the meeting with Trump Jr. He said he’s willing to talk with the Senate Judiciary Committee, whose chairman has pressed the Justice Department about why Akhmetshin has not registered as a foreign agent.

The chairman, Republican Chuck Grassley of Iowa, said in a March letter that Akhmetshin has “reportedly admitted to being a ‘Soviet counterintelligence officer’ and has a long history of lobbying the U.S. government for pro-Russia matters.”

Akhmetshin said that the Justice Department’s Foreign Agents Registration Act unit sent him a letter in April and told him, “it has come to our attention you should have filed for FARA.” He said he didn’t believe he needed to file. He has previously registered with Congress for the lobbying work, and he plans to raise this issue before Grassley’s committee.

“I think I have a legal right to tell my story,” he said.

Separately on Friday, the data and digital director for Trump’s presidential campaign said he will speak with the House Intelligence committee later this month as part of its own Russia probe.

Brad Parscale said in a statement that he is “unaware of any Russian involvement” in the data and digital operations but will voluntarily appear before the panel.

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Associated Press writers Eric Tucker, Stephen Braun and Julie Pace contributed to this report.
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Huey » 16 Jul 2017 8:06 am wrote:

Let me set you straight. This is a little long but it corrects obvious errors with your meme. Additionally, if you are going to claim the story is true you next have to address the facts that the documents showed your candidate accepting foreign money from Russia. do you accept that? But, if this story is true from AP your talking point has crashed and burned.

https://apnews.com/dceed1008d8f45afb314 ... 's-meeting

Russian-American lobbyist joined Trump’s son’s meeting, too

WASHINGTON (AP) — A prominent Russian-American lobbyist and former Soviet military officer attended a meeting with President Donald Trump’s son, son-in-law and campaign chairman last year, the lobbyist said Friday, adding a new wrinkle to the Trump team’s evolving explanations about the June 2016 session.

Rinat Akhmetshin confirmed his involvement to The Associated Press in an interview. He had not been previously identified as a participant in the meeting at Trump Tower in New York, which was billed as part of a Russian government effort to help the Republican’s White House campaign.

A Russian-American lobbyist says he attended a June 2016 meeting with President Donald Trump’s son, marking another shift in the account of a discussion that was billed as part of a Russian government effort to help Trump’s campaign. (July 14)

The meeting has heightened questions about whether Trump’s associates coordinated with Russia to meddle in the presidential election — to help him and thwart Hillary Clinton — and whether they’ve been forthcoming about their foreign contacts. Federal and congressional investigators are probing possible connections between the campaign and Moscow.

Akhmetshin has been reported to have ties to Russian intelligence, a characterization he dismisses as a “smear campaign.” He’s a well-known Washington presence, lobbying for Russian interests trying to undermine the allegations of a lawyer who died in a Russian prison and is the namesake of a U.S. sanctions law.

Akhmetshin told the AP he served in the Soviet military in a unit that was part of counterintelligence but he was never formally trained as a spy.

In emails posted by Donald Trump Jr. earlier this week, a music publicist said he arranged the meeting because a Russian lawyer wanted to pass on negative information about Democrat Clinton. The go-between stated that the discussion was part of a Russian government effort to help the GOP candidate.

While Trump Jr. has confirmed that Russian attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya was in the meeting, he has not disclosed Akhmetshin’s presence. The president’s son has publicly discounted the meeting, saying he did not receive the information he was promised.

In a statement Sunday, Trump Jr. said the attorney had said she had information that people tied to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Clinton, a description that Akhmetshin backed up in his interview with the AP.

In his first public interview about the meeting, Akhmetshin said he accompanied Veselnitskaya to Trump Tower where they met an interpreter. He said he had learned about the meeting only that day when Veselnitskaya asked him to attend. He said he showed up in jeans and a T-shirt.

Veselnitskaya brought with her a plastic folder with printed-out documents that detailed what she believed was the flow of illicit funds to the Democrats, Akhmetshin said. Veselnitskaya presented the contents of the documents to the Trump associates and suggested that making the information public could help the campaign, he said.

“This could be a good issue to expose how the DNC is accepting bad money,” Akhmetshin recalled her saying.

Trump Jr. asked the attorney if she had sufficient evidence to back up her claims, including whether she could demonstrate the flow of the money. But Veselnitskaya said the Trump campaign would need to research it more. After that, Trump Jr. lost interest, according to Akhmetshin.

“They couldn’t wait for the meeting to end,” he said
.

Akhmetshin said he does not know if Veselnitskaya’s documents were provided by the Russian government. He said he thinks she left the materials with the Trump associates. It was unclear if she handed the documents to anyone in the room or simply left them behind, he said.

Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and current White House senior adviser, and then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort also attended the meeting. Akhmetshin said he recognized Kushner and Trump Jr. He also said he recognized Manafort because they worked in “adjacent political circles” but never together.

He said there were others in the room but he didn’t know them. Publicist Rob Goldstone, who brokered the meeting via email with Trump Jr., has told the AP that he was there.

Asked about Akhmetshin’s participation, Manafort spokesman Jason Maloni declined comment. Trump Jr.’s attorney did not respond to inquiries, nor did a spokesman for Kushner. Veselnitskaya has denied having any ties to the Russian government. When reached by the AP this week, she declined comment. She did not respond to additional attempts to contact her Friday.

The confirmation of Akhmetshin’s participation in the meeting drew swift reaction from the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee, Rep. Adam Schiff of California, who said he wanted Akhmetshin to appear before the committee and provide “any relevant documents and information.”

Schiff said whether Akhmetshin is connected to Russian intelligence or not “it is clear the Kremlin got the message that Donald Trump welcomed the help of the Russian government in providing dirt on Hillary Clinton.” Schiff said Trump Jr.’s omission of Akhmetshin’s role in his public account of the meeting and the president’s son’s shifting explanations “paint a portrait of consistent dissembling and deceit.”

Kushner disclosed the meeting on his security clearance paperwork, but Schiff said the Akhmetshin revelation raises questions about how much Kushner disclosed about it. He said he believes Kushner’s clearance should be reviewed, and “if he was not perfectly candid,” the clearance should be revoked.

Akhmetshin, who spoke to the AP while on vacation in France where he said he has been surfing, said the meeting was “not substantive” and he “actually expected more serious” discussion.

“I never thought this would be such a big deal, to be honest,” he said.

The Russian government has denied any involvement or knowledge of the June 2016 meeting. Asked Friday about Akhmetshin, Russian President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, told reporters: “We don’t know anything about this person.”

Akhmetshin has been identified in media reports as a former officer in Russia’s military intelligence service known as the GRU. He has denied that, saying he served in the Soviet Army from 1986 to 1988 after he was drafted but was not trained in spy tradecraft. He said his unit operated in the Baltics and was “loosely part of counterintelligence.”

Akhmetshin said he has not been contacted by the U.S. special counsel’s office or the FBI about the meeting with Trump Jr. He said he’s willing to talk with the Senate Judiciary Committee, whose chairman has pressed the Justice Department about why Akhmetshin has not registered as a foreign agent.

The chairman, Republican Chuck Grassley of Iowa, said in a March letter that Akhmetshin has “reportedly admitted to being a ‘Soviet counterintelligence officer’ and has a long history of lobbying the U.S. government for pro-Russia matters.”

Akhmetshin said that the Justice Department’s Foreign Agents Registration Act unit sent him a letter in April and told him, “it has come to our attention you should have filed for FARA.” He said he didn’t believe he needed to file. He has previously registered with Congress for the lobbying work, and he plans to raise this issue before Grassley’s committee.

“I think I have a legal right to tell my story,” he said.

Separately on Friday, the data and digital director for Trump’s presidential campaign said he will speak with the House Intelligence committee later this month as part of its own Russia probe.

Brad Parscale said in a statement that he is “unaware of any Russian involvement” in the data and digital operations but will voluntarily appear before the panel.

___

Associated Press writers Eric Tucker, Stephen Braun and Julie Pace contributed to this report.



"In a statement Sunday, Trump Jr. said the attorney had said she had information that people tied to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Clinton, a description that Akhmetshin backed up in his interview with the AP

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Trump Jr.'s account was supported by an AP interview.


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I don't believe any laws were broken. But, this does prove they are liars.
I don't think Trump knew about it until recently. Now it's his responsibility to get in front of it and end it. Show some strong leadership. Real conservatives are pretty disgusted with him right now. Progressives are the only ones still defending him on this story.
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Huey » 16 Jul 2017 8:06 am wrote:

Let me set you straight. This is a little long but it corrects obvious errors with your meme. Additionally, if you are going to claim the story is true you next have to address the facts that the documents showed your candidate accepting foreign money from Russia. do you accept that? But, if this story is true from AP your talking point has crashed and burned........

In a statement Sunday, Trump Jr. said the attorney had said she had information that people tied to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Clinton, a description that Akhmetshin backed up in his interview with the AP


Massive illegal fundraising was one of the charges that was going to be made against Bill Clinton. Obama raised large amounts of illegal money as well.

So evidence was being offered of illegal activity by HRC.

So who is the real wrongdoer in all this; the person who commits no crime but wants to expose crimes?

Or the person who was committing the crimes, Hillary Rodham Clinton?

This is so obvious, even a liberal or two might figure it out. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Annoyed Liberall » 16 Jul 2017 8:31 am wrote:
I don't believe any laws were broken. But, this does prove they are liars.
I don't think Trump knew about it until recently. Now it's his responsibility to get in front of it and end it. Show some strong leadership. Real conservatives are pretty disgusted with him right now. Progressives are the only ones still defending him on this story.



Or...it was/is all a sham by the dems and their foreign operatives.



I've been watching the talk shows this morning and so far not one mention of the ties between Hillary, Obama Admin, and the Russian lawyer.


The MSM is in the tank for the dems...that's the damage against our process.

The question about Hillary and the Ukrainians was asked...Schiff brushed it aside and was not pressed on it.
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