Capitalism vs Socialism

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Posted by bingster
  10,948 08 Jan 2014, 6:47 pm

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PoliticalPopUp » 08 Jan 2014 12:24 am wrote:
Yeah yeah....labor unions were a necessary part of the capitalist model, the necessity now antiquated. The point is, capitalism is responsible for all the goods government employs. Look - the point is captaism is more effecient....that's all...
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And you're obviously too dense to see the contradiction in that statement. Funny.
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Posted by PoliticalPopUp
  1,073 09 Jan 2014, 12:32 am

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bingster » 08 Jan 2014 5:47 pm wrote:

And you're obviously too dense to see the contradiction in that statement. Funny.
There's no contradiction. Without entrepreneurs, Øbama wouldn't have his Blackberry. idiot....Image
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  14,351 09 Jan 2014, 2:12 am

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deezer shoove » 08 Jan 2014 5:27 pm wrote:
Since you went into greater detail about one over the other two by a ratio of about 4 to 1, that gives away the punchline. If I cared (I don't) I could find a lot of the shoddiest things about France (a wannabe power) to throw in the mix. The constant railing against America always seems to accompany some other "lesser" country that does A thing better (at least in the argument).
Ultimately it is a great credit to America that finding isolated items here and there to find a smidgen better takes a global search. I'd still pick America overall against any other country. These little comparisons meant to denigrate actually have that opposite effect.
There's probably a better mousetrap out there too in Bombay maybe.


I find it rather pathetic that you see my preference for a more efficient model as anti-American. Wanting better for my people, while dastardly, should not face such a luddite construction as you applied.

You did not touch the economic issues - merely prattled political slogans and professed undying love for Murka. If you had insisted that I "love it or leave it," your post would have been only a tittle more vapid. I am accustomed to better.

Why not try and refute either the facts given or the conclusion drawn, rather than pretend I am attacking the nation? Would that take too much thinking?
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  14,351 09 Jan 2014, 2:16 am

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PoliticalPopUp » 08 Jan 2014 11:32 pm wrote:
There's no contradiction. Without entrepreneurs, Øbama wouldn't have his Blackberry. idiot....


The Blackberry was invented in Germany, moron.

Since the liberals on this board are always advocating a more European model of government, you look pretty stoopid right now.
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  1,073 09 Jan 2014, 2:46 am

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Cannonpointer » 09 Jan 2014 1:16 am wrote:

The Blackberry was invented in Germany, moron.

Since the liberals on this board are always advocating a more European model of government, you look pretty stoopid right now.

You're an idiot...Care to retract your assanine guess before I cut and paste from Wiki? You idiot. The point is, government relies on capitalist entrepreneurs to provide the economic foundation for the leeching taxes they levy to pay themselves...
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  15,891 09 Jan 2014, 3:33 am

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neue regel » 07 Jan 2014 10:33 pm wrote:
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Without socialism, My streets would not be plowed, My neighborhood would not be patrolled by police and my house would burn to the ground due to no fire department.


There would be nothing and no one who would step in to fill the void of snow removal if not for government??


No. Of course not.
Pencil in any such function.
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  29 09 Jan 2014, 3:37 am

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neue regel » 07 Jan 2014 10:33 pm wrote:

There would be nothing and no one who would step in to fill the void of snow removal if not for government??


Some maverick capitalist is is going to figure out how to turn a profit plowing public roads without drivers pooling their money (socialism) to pay for the service. Maybe he could charge Ayn Rand's ghost, or maybe bill his own massive ego. Yep there is a profit to be made supplying all public services our society needs without collecting tax payer money. Besides all of us having to pay cost+ for all our societies basic needs would be far better because somebody can get rich billking the tax payers, I hear most tax payers would love to overpay some crook aiming to buy a yacht with their money so they can have their streets plowed. :LOL: Why don't we just have the police ask for your credit card # before they send a unit ! Then some intrepid "kewl capitalist" police chief can send some police provocateurs in plain clothes out to "drum" up some business. ;) The sky is the limit when exploiting human needs to line your own pockets ! Not because it makes sense or is beneficial, but because being over the top pro capitalist to the point of lunacy makes you "kewl" and "edgy", kinda like the Marlboro man before he died of cancer. Popup, you're so "kewl" and "edgy". :rofl:
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Cedarswamp » 07 Jan 2014 11:04 pm wrote:

Remain ignorant, your choice, but the government providing a service does not make that service socialist.


It IS socialism. You do realize the US has a "mixed economy" don't you? There are no pure socialist or pure free market economic models. Just because you have been trained like a monkey by your plutocrat masters that socialism has "cooties" doesn't mean you can change the definition of the word. FYI; your plutocrat masters love socialism, they love to get government subsidies to develop expensive high tech shiz like commercial air craft, fighter aircraft, gps, cell phones, satellites ect then turn around and "privatize" the profits. I bet you don't believe that is socialism either do you? Believe what ever you want I guess, its you they are fucking though. :LOL:
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The so-called cons sure got used and abused in this thread.
Poopup thought he was starting a troll thread but as usual, it turned into a showcase for LF con idiocy.
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  1,073 09 Jan 2014, 3:11 pm

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danobivins » 09 Jan 2014 2:56 am wrote:
The so-called cons sure got used and abused in this thread.
Poopup thought he was starting a troll thread but as usual, it turned into a showcase for LF con idiocy.

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Posted by Hannibal
  29 09 Jan 2014, 3:18 pm

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Is that the best retort you have ?































Poopy face. ;)
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  8,548 09 Jan 2014, 3:21 pm

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Hannibal » 09 Jan 2014 2:18 pm wrote:

Is that the best retort you have ?

Poopy face. ;)


Cut him some slack, he's handicapped...but apparently he doesn't suck dick, so at least there's that to be thankful for. :rofl:
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Posted by PoliticalPopUp
  1,073 09 Jan 2014, 3:23 pm

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Hannibal » 09 Jan 2014 2:18 pm wrote:
Is that the best retort you have ?
Poopy face. ;)

It's the only one I need with an idiot....Image
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Hannibal » 09 Jan 2014 2:53 am wrote:

It IS socialism. You do realize the US has a "mixed economy" don't you? There are no pure socialist or pure free market economic models. Just because you have been trained like a monkey by your plutocrat masters that socialism has "cooties" doesn't mean you can change the definition of the word. FYI; your plutocrat masters love socialism, they love to get government subsidies to develop expensive high tech shiz like commercial air craft, fighter aircraft, gps, cell phones, satellites ect then turn around and "privatize" the profits. I bet you don't believe that is socialism either do you? Believe what ever you want I guess, its you they are fucking though. :LOL:


You probably shouldn't be on your "plutocrat masters" computer if you want to speak from a position of integrity. Nahmean?
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Cedarswamp » 09 Jan 2014 2:37 pm wrote:

You probably shouldn't be on your "plutocrat masters" computer if you want to speak from a position of integrity. Nahmean?


I paid cash for my computer, so did you, through corporate subsidies to high tech industry that developed it.. Thanks Ceadar ! :D I paid for the computer once, you will pay a bit towards many every time you make or spend a dollar. ;)
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Cedarswamp » 07 Jan 2014 10:32 pm wrote:

Damn you fucking progtards are more confused about socialism than the contards.


What's to be confused about? I've not yet received a itemized bill for any fire or police services I've received. They're funded by a pool generated by taxes. Ergo, Socialism.


You are very ignorant about what is and isn't socialism. Taxes are not socialism.

Socialism is an economic system characterized by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy. "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these. There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them. They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organized within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.
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  10,948 09 Jan 2014, 7:35 pm

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PoliticalPopUp » 08 Jan 2014 11:32 pm wrote:
There's no contradiction. Without entrepreneurs, Øbama wouldn't have his Blackberry. idiot....Image


and without government subsidies, you wouldn't have the internet, moron.

You blame government for tamping down capitalism, while government subsidizes that capitalism.
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  10,948 09 Jan 2014, 7:42 pm

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PoliticalPopUp » 08 Jan 2014 11:32 pm wrote:
There's no contradiction. Without entrepreneurs, Øbama wouldn't have his Blackberry. idiot....


Major contradiction, man. There's a synergy in what you typed that goes way above your head. The government employs the product of capitalism. Without that "employ" your capitalists don't make as much money. Plus, there's the blatant subsidizing of all technology that capitalism relies on and the infrastructure with which it moves it around the country. Capitalism without socialism is impossible. You can't find a pure example of it in the world.
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bingster » 09 Jan 2014 6:42 pm wrote:

Major contradiction, man. There's a synergy in what you typed that goes way above your head. The government employs the product of capitalism. Without that "employ" your capitalists don't make as much money. Plus, there's the blatant subsidizing of all technology that capitalism relies on and the infrastructure with which it moves it around the country. Capitalism without socialism is impossible. You can't find a pure example of it in the world.


Na uh man ! Socialism has cooties, My boss told me ! :shock:
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  8,548 09 Jan 2014, 8:07 pm

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Hannibal » 09 Jan 2014 2:50 pm wrote:

I paid cash for my computer, so did you, through corporate subsidies to high tech industry that developed it.. Thanks Ceadar ! :D I paid for the computer once, you will pay a bit towards many every time you make or spend a dollar. ;)


Actually my computer was free, my employer bought it so I could work from home. :thumbup:

So you don't make or spend dollars?
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