Capitalism vs Socialism

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  12,969 08 Jan 2014, 12:46 am

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PoliticalPopUp » 07 Jan 2014 8:04 pm wrote:
Who built the trucks they use?


I dunno. They look like Volvos to me.
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  12,969 08 Jan 2014, 12:49 am

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Cedarswamp » 07 Jan 2014 10:32 pm wrote:

Damn you fucking progtards are more confused about socialism than the contards.


Most folks just roll with the contards' own definitions, when it hurts their case.

I call that fair. Petard, meet hoist.
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  12,969 08 Jan 2014, 12:50 am

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neue regel » 07 Jan 2014 10:33 pm wrote:

There would be nothing and no one who would step in to fill the void of snow removal if not for government??


Who knows and who cares? Are you switching to anarchist today?
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  12,969 08 Jan 2014, 12:52 am

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TotallyRad » 07 Jan 2014 10:38 pm wrote:

Sure, go ahead and hire some private contractors to clear your freeway without taxation. I'd be impressed if it worked as effectively as its done now.


Considering how many companies will be competing for his dollars, each paying a separate raft of business expenses and each spending mad marketing money to get his business - then making HIM pay for that marketing, - his dumb ass is gonna be shoveling some snow.

Of course, in his magical world, competition will LOWER prices. Why? Because "they" said so - certainly not for any logical or defensible reason. Contards are economically illiterate.
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  12,969 08 Jan 2014, 12:53 am

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Cedarswamp » 07 Jan 2014 10:43 pm wrote:

I suggest you educate yourself on socialism, because like most conservatives you don't seem to know what the term means.


No, most conservatives are bitter little bitches at having their own facile definitions rubbed in their faces.

Know what I mean, Vern?
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  12,969 08 Jan 2014, 12:55 am

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Cedarswamp » 07 Jan 2014 11:04 pm wrote:

Remain ignorant, your choice, but the government providing a service does not make that service socialist.


Is it capitalist, then? Contards inhabit a binary, off/on yes/no world. We try to accommodate an that makes US the bad guys?
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  12,969 08 Jan 2014, 1:51 am

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You tards aren't very savvy about economics, son.

Let's do a logic problem.

Society A has a private medical model, but single payer health insurance which is funded by a payroll tax. The size of the pool is everybody. Everyone is insured, but there issome waste and fraud. Still, costs are kept barely manageable in spite of the fraud, because of the economy of scale and universal participation.

Society B has universal government medical care, funded by a payroll tax and a VAT. Government focuses on cutting costs by providing care that is merely adequate, and by putting a premium on preventive care rather than letting health issues fester and become critical.

Society C has private insurance and private medicine. The insurance companies are profit driven, so they have attorneys whose only job is to create, massage, or find loopholes to wiggle out of liability precisely when their product is needed. There are multiple companies, each competing for business, and each must meet a separate raft of expenses for marketing and delivering their product. Billions are spent on advertising. Because executives are evaluated and bonused quarterly and are mere cogs in an impersonal wheel, the long term well being of the company is NO ONE's concern. This quarter is the exclusive and universal focus from the sales floor to the CEO's office. Waste and fraud are rampant. Millions are without any care at all, but cannot be turned away at emergency rooms. The cost of their care is, by over-pricing, passed on to the only player at the table with money: the insurance companies.

Those who have insurance foot the bill for all of the redundant marketing and redundant office expenses and redundant dividends. They pay for the fraud an abuse. They pay for the emergency room care of the uninsured. This group - the insured - must see to the profits of investors and the profits of the hospitals and the rightly high salaries of skilled medical professionals, all by themselves.

That is a reasonable description of France, England and America - in that order.

France has the best system, and the cheapest. Everyone participates - no one is without care. England has the shoddiest, but no one is left out. America has the least accessible and most expensive - with quality on a par with that of France.

Math is not political - and neither are economics. Whatever your prescriptions an prejudices and preconceptions, the mathematics of those three systems are immutable. They are what they are, without concern for how you feel about it or wish they were.
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  12,969 09 Jan 2014, 2:12 am

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deezer shoove » 08 Jan 2014 5:27 pm wrote:
Since you went into greater detail about one over the other two by a ratio of about 4 to 1, that gives away the punchline. If I cared (I don't) I could find a lot of the shoddiest things about France (a wannabe power) to throw in the mix. The constant railing against America always seems to accompany some other "lesser" country that does A thing better (at least in the argument).
Ultimately it is a great credit to America that finding isolated items here and there to find a smidgen better takes a global search. I'd still pick America overall against any other country. These little comparisons meant to denigrate actually have that opposite effect.
There's probably a better mousetrap out there too in Bombay maybe.


I find it rather pathetic that you see my preference for a more efficient model as anti-American. Wanting better for my people, while dastardly, should not face such a luddite construction as you applied.

You did not touch the economic issues - merely prattled political slogans and professed undying love for Murka. If you had insisted that I "love it or leave it," your post would have been only a tittle more vapid. I am accustomed to better.

Why not try and refute either the facts given or the conclusion drawn, rather than pretend I am attacking the nation? Would that take too much thinking?
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  12,969 09 Jan 2014, 2:16 am

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PoliticalPopUp » 08 Jan 2014 11:32 pm wrote:
There's no contradiction. Without entrepreneurs, Øbama wouldn't have his Blackberry. idiot....


The Blackberry was invented in Germany, moron.

Since the liberals on this board are always advocating a more European model of government, you look pretty stoopid right now.
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  12,969 09 Jan 2014, 10:34 pm

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Hat_Creek » 09 Jan 2014 8:03 pm wrote:
I wouldn't worry about it PPU.
According to Anderson economic cycle theory, socialism will have run it's course
and be dead or almost dead by 2033. We can wait em out.


Then he'll be dead, too. He's a gimp on public relief. Ask him.
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  12,969 10 Jan 2014, 12:59 am

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