who released the Christie emails?

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Thrash-Ra » 09 Jan 2014 8:08 am wrote:
I'm surfing various sources right now, and all they've said so far in regards to these emails is that they 'recently surfaced' and were released by 'news sources.' Which sources? Where are the names?

We have names of whistleblowers and insiders in both them Bush and Obama admins. Why should this be any different?

This is what I call a Rising Star Controversy. We see it all the time whenever a politician or even athlete starts to gain notoriety: someone is always in the wings to accuse him or her of some atrocity.

Bush -- Katrina. Obama comes into the public eye, and racists and birthers bleed out of the woodwork. Palin's daughter gets knocked up and everyone loses their minds.

Christine's situation consists of
A. Being a rising star
B. ALLEGATIONS

So who put out the emails? What am I overlooking here? I've defended Obama. I'll defend Christie, too.


Here's your answer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Record_(Bergen_County)

The Record followed the Fort Lee lane closure controversy regarding the September 2013 four-day closure of the dedicated toll lanes for a Fort Lee, New Jersey entrance to the upper level of the George Washington Bridge which caused hours of traffic delays. In December 2013 it obtained internal emails showing that Port Authority of New York and New Jersey officials were warned of hardships caused by GWB lane closures and nevertheless failed to respond to complaints.[8] On January 8, 2014 The Record first published emails and text messages obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request which tied New Jersey Governor Chris Christie's deputy chief of staff, Bridget Anne Kelly, to the closure. The Record described "vindictive lane closures" intended to cause massive traffic jams. Updated versions of the article covered the national media coverage of the newly released material and Governor Christie's response.
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Cedarswamp » 09 Jan 2014 2:48 pm wrote:

Pretty sure you can't use FOIA to get personal emails and text msgs.


The governor's office ain't 'personal.'
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Thrash-Ra » 09 Jan 2014 2:53 pm wrote:
2 pages and Skeptic comes through for me :wub: now I can investigate. Though, they don't seem like a rag, but rather a legit news source. I like that.


I haven't seen anything about this on the news, just news sites. Have you, Skeptic?


MSNBC - Rachel Maddow - last night.

It's a relatively small, local newspaper that takes actual reporting (as opposed to corporate sludge-pumping) seriously.
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golfboy » 09 Jan 2014 3:29 pm wrote:
"Usually" isn't true, and this information wasn't subpoenaed, it was requested under a freedom of information request.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/01/timeline_of_the_port_authoritys_george_washington_bridge_lane_closure_controversy.html


You should actually understand the subject before making declarative statements about what happened.


Like you did in post #4.
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Huey » 09 Jan 2014 3:32 pm wrote:
Here's the deal. You don't fück with people's commute. Happened here last year. Closed 2 of the 3 bridge tunnels from Newport News/hampton to the south side on the same weekend. 40 minute drives turned into 6 and 7 hour adventures.

Can't wait until the truth comes out on this one. Not the skews truth, but the real truth.


If you piss off enough people, someone will get even!
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golfboy » 09 Jan 2014 3:36 pm wrote:
What in post #4 did I claim as fact, that is incorrect?


Where did theLion?
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Huey » 09 Jan 2014 3:56 pm wrote:
Regardless of what I think about Chris Christie he is a pretty good politician. So with that said exactly how does having the PA shut down three lanes punish a mayor that did not endorse him? Christie had to know that if this one came out it would go due to hi future political aspirations. And if he did know about it and allowed it he is pretty fucking stupid.


Lawrence O'Donnel made the same point. But, how difficult is it to imagine him competent to hold national office if he DIDN'T know?
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Huey » 09 Jan 2014 4:43 pm wrote:


The "I didn't know" defense has become quite popular in the last decade. Presidents have been re-elected using it.

Ps. I am not sure I want him as president. At the moment I think he would be a better gift for the progressives.


True! But, some "I don't knows" are more believable than others.

A question I've asked that cons don't seem to want to touch is: If Christie were actually elected, what other event could do more to decisively split the GOP?
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GeorgeWashington » 09 Jan 2014 4:54 pm wrote:

Ron Paul getting elected?


LOL OK!

But, I meant something plausible.
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Huey » 09 Jan 2014 4:58 pm wrote:

Christie wouldn't get elected as with a split GOP. His election would not split the GOP. HIs actions AFTER the election could. Look at Boehner and Mconnell. Their actions are splitting the GOP.



AFTER the election is what I was referring to.
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Cedarswamp » 09 Jan 2014 5:10 pm wrote:

Don't think the governors office uses Gmail. :blink:


Do you actually have a point to make?
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Thrash-Ra » 09 Jan 2014 5:20 pm wrote:
I made the same point. A legit political email addy would not end in gmail or yahoo.


Perhaps they were skirting usual channels. I use both my .gov email and a gmail account.

At this point, no one is denying these emails emanated from Christie's office. So, what is the contention?
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Cedarswamp » 09 Jan 2014 5:22 pm wrote:

Yea the point was as I had originally said, "Pretty sure you can't use FOIA to get personal emails and text msgs."

How much weed you smoke a day?


What is your contention - that these emails that even Christie acknowledges as real somehow are not?

Seems the conservative brain is wired to deny reality by cooking up new conspiracy theories, without limit!
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bingster » 09 Jan 2014 5:30 pm wrote:

On the flip side of your question, anyone getting elected from the Republican side will split the Republican party. Either a moderate would get elected, or a fire breathing batshit crazy freak like a Bachmann would get elected. Either way, the GOP will be in an uproar.

ps, I don't think ANY Republican getting elected is "plausible" (the party is already split).


You don't have to race through my con invited discussions with the correct conclusion quite so damned fast, dammit!
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Wharf Rat » 09 Jan 2014 5:27 pm wrote:
I give Christie a week, and he'll resign.


Let's hope not! REAL scandal in the GOP may trim the con compulsion to create new wishful thinking type scandals.
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Cedarswamp » 09 Jan 2014 5:38 pm wrote:

THAT THEY WEREN'T OBTAIN TROUGH FOIA REQUEST!"

Fuck you're dense.


That's their claim. They'd have had to file for one. Go debunk it, fool!
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golfboy » 09 Jan 2014 7:13 pm wrote:
Bullshit. The national parks and the monuments neither one had to be shut down.
That was done for purely partisan reason, making it EXACTLY the same.
Hell, they had to put security at the mall to keep people out that weren't needed before. EXTRA costs to enforce their political agenda.
And don't forget that they opened those monuments for the illegal alien march.

Tell me again Obama didn't do that for political reasons.


Republicans shut down the government; national parks are run by the government.

Blow some more smoke up your own ass, you idiot.
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Thrash-Ra » 09 Jan 2014 5:58 pm wrote:
Does lack of denial mean immediate guilt?


Thrash, they ADMITTED it.
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golfboy » 09 Jan 2014 7:08 pm wrote:
Who knows, he didn't source his claims, did he?


You did the same thing you ridiculed him for, you dumbass.
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golfboy » 09 Jan 2014 7:09 pm wrote:
That's simply not true. I can think of 3 off the top of my head that wouldn't split the party... Scott Walker, Rubio or Lee.


All three would.

None have much of a chance.
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