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Trump Vineyard Requests Visas For Still More Foreign Workers“

America First” doesn’t apply to Trump wines.

By Mary Papenfuss

While President Donald Trump rails against immigrants and foreign workers taking away American jobs, the Trump Vineyard Estates has filed yet another request for visas for foreign farm workers at its Virginia winery.

The application filed last week asks for H-2 worker visa for 23 laborers at $11.27 an hour from April through October this year.

In December, Trump Vineyard Estates also filed an application with the Department of Labor seeking six visas that would allow the company to hire foreign workers for seasonal jobs. That paperwork was submitted just days after Trump urged an Indiana company not to ship American jobs to Mexico.

Trump Winery, which the president’s son Eric Trump owns, would employ the workers, according to Buzzfeed, The winery’s website says it is a registered trade name of Eric Trump Wine Manufacturing LLC and is “not owned, managed or affiliated with Donald J. Trump, The Trump Organization or any of their affiliates.”

But the winery is located on the Trump Vineyard Estates LLC, which filed the visa request.Trump Vineyard Estates is listed as part of the real estate portfolio of the Trump Organization, according to its website. When Trump became president he said he would switch management of his companies to his sons but would maintain ownership. He revealed in a 2015 campaign financial disclosure filing that Trump Vineyard Estates had earned him $150,000 to $1.1 million, Politico reported at the time.

He also boasted at a campaign event last year featuring bottles from the Trump Winery — which was reportedly transferred to Eric Trump in 2012 — that “I own it 100 percent — no mortgage, no debt.”

Trump won approval in December to also hire 77 foreign workers at his Mar-a-Lago resort and Jupiter golf course through the H-2B visa program, according to a review of data from the U.S. Department of Labor shows conducted by Vocativ.

CNN reported last summer that Trump companies have employed at least 1,256 foreign workers — most from Romania and South Africa — in the past 15 years. The companies applied to hire 263 foreign workers even after Trump launched his campaign in which he railed against the loss of U.S. jobs to foreign workers.
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trump makes some of the best wine...but we should expect that right
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OdeToJoy » 18 Feb 2017 12:31 pm wrote:
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02/18/2017

Trump Vineyard Requests Visas For Still More Foreign Workers“

America First” doesn’t apply to Trump wines.

By Mary Papenfuss

While President Donald Trump rails against immigrants and foreign workers taking away American jobs, the Trump Vineyard Estates has filed yet another request for visas for foreign farm workers at its Virginia winery.

The application filed last week asks for H-2 worker visa for 23 laborers at $11.27 an hour from April through October this year.

In December, Trump Vineyard Estates also filed an application with the Department of Labor seeking six visas that would allow the company to hire foreign workers for seasonal jobs. That paperwork was submitted just days after Trump urged an Indiana company not to ship American jobs to Mexico.

Trump Winery, which the president’s son Eric Trump owns, would employ the workers, according to Buzzfeed, The winery’s website says it is a registered trade name of Eric Trump Wine Manufacturing LLC and is “not owned, managed or affiliated with Donald J. Trump, The Trump Organization or any of their affiliates.”

But the winery is located on the Trump Vineyard Estates LLC, which filed the visa request.Trump Vineyard Estates is listed as part of the real estate portfolio of the Trump Organization, according to its website. When Trump became president he said he would switch management of his companies to his sons but would maintain ownership. He revealed in a 2015 campaign financial disclosure filing that Trump Vineyard Estates had earned him $150,000 to $1.1 million, Politico reported at the time.

He also boasted at a campaign event last year featuring bottles from the Trump Winery — which was reportedly transferred to Eric Trump in 2012 — that “I own it 100 percent — no mortgage, no debt.”

Trump won approval in December to also hire 77 foreign workers at his Mar-a-Lago resort and Jupiter golf course through the H-2B visa program, according to a review of data from the U.S. Department of Labor shows conducted by Vocativ.

CNN reported last summer that Trump companies have employed at least 1,256 foreign workers — most from Romania and South Africa — in the past 15 years. The companies applied to hire 263 foreign workers even after Trump launched his campaign in which he railed against the loss of U.S. jobs to foreign workers.

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bigsky » 18 Feb 2017 12:54 pm wrote:
What is YOUR point?


Dumb bitch can't tell the difference between legal and illegal.
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So you're mad because they're following the legal route?

Look, there's an acceptable side and an unacceptable side to these visa's. An acceptable side IMO would be if someone has certain skills that can't be found within their own country. An unacceptable side would be an operation employing people at a lower wage when there's plenty of folks available within the country to do the job - but they're just being assholes and using it to circumvent the higher waged and available people.

Unacceptable: The computer companies on the left coast hiring Indians and whatever to do tech jobs because they don't want to pay US computer dudes a higher wage. Plenty of colleges in the US kicking out intelligent computer kids I would imagine.

Acceptable - I'll use this vineyard in a HYPOTHETICAL scenario. They have a unique wine, maybe a unique strain - that's cultivated in a unique manner. Seems every European vineyard has some "secret formula" to their product. Maybe they do it in a way they bring in old world expertise to craft something unique.

Obviously I don't know enough about wine nor their vineyard, but there may be something unique about it that does require very specific sets of skills from elsewhere.
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Obummerstinks » 18 Feb 2017 1:43 pm wrote:
So you're mad because they're following the legal route?

Look, there's an acceptable side and an unacceptable side to these visa's. An acceptable side IMO would be if someone has certain skills that can't be found within their own country. An unacceptable side would be an operation employing people at a lower wage when there's plenty of folks available within the country to do the job - but they're just being assholes and using it to circumvent the higher waged and available people.

Unacceptable: The computer companies on the left coast hiring Indians and whatever to do tech jobs because they don't want to pay US computer dudes a higher wage. Plenty of colleges in the US kicking out intelligent computer kids I would imagine.

Acceptable - I'll use this vineyard in a HYPOTHETICAL scenario. They have a unique wine, maybe a unique strain - that's cultivated in a unique manner. Seems every European vineyard has some "secret formula" to their product. Maybe they do it in a way they bring in old world expertise to craft something unique.

Obviously I don't know enough about wine nor their vineyard, but there may be something unique about it that does require very specific sets of skills from elsewhere
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I don't think they are bringing in people with unique skills for $11.27 per hour:

The application filed last week asks for H-2 worker visa for 23 laborers at $11.27 an hour from April through October this year.
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OdeToJoy » 18 Feb 2017 9:00 pm wrote:

I don't think they are bringing in people with unique skills for $11.27 per hour:

The application filed last week asks for H-2 worker visa for 23 laborers at $11.27 an hour from April through October this year.


I dont see what your point is? Do u have any background on the workers? Have they been employed in the past? R they currently working on his vineyard? Do they have any family members working there? How the fuck can people like u look in the mirror every day? Will all the bull shit happening in this world and u come here with this petty ass shit.


Trump Enterprise has 10's of 1000's Americans working for it and u as well as Huff spew this shit. Keep it up and all it will do is continue to take down the left.
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OdeToJoy » 18 Feb 2017 9:00 pm wrote:

I don't think they are bringing in people with unique skills for $11.27 per hour:

The application filed last week asks for H-2 worker visa for 23 laborers at $11.27 an hour from April through October this year.

Legal or illegal?
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OdeToJoy » 18 Feb 2017 9:00 pm wrote:

I don't think they are bringing in people with unique skills for $11.27 per hour:

The application filed last week asks for H-2 worker visa for 23 laborers at $11.27 an hour from April through October this year.


Have you been overseas to see what labor costs? Have you brought anyone in, housed, fed, and paid for them? I would imagine it's quite a significant expense, much more than the 11.27/hr.

Look, here's the deal. If they're being in to simply pick grapes, I'm with you. But in order for that to happen, you've got to get past a leftist headline and show the fundamental purpose of these people getting a visa. Up to this point, you haven't - which means your faux outrage is meaningless and you're going off half-cocked at best.
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Racetex (RSIG) » 18 Feb 2017 9:07 pm wrote:

I dont see what your point is? Do u have any background on the workers? Have they been employed in the past? R they currently working on his vineyard? Do they have any family members working there? How the fuck can people like u look in the mirror every day? Will all the bull shit happening in this world and u come here with this petty ass shit.

Trump Enterprise has 10's of 1000's Americans working for it and u as well as Huff spew this shit. Keep it up and all it will do is continue to take down the left.


http://ijr.com/2016/02/546532-donald-tr ... s-instead/

Donald Trump may say he wants to put a halt to illegal immigration. However, when it comes to foreign guest workers taking jobs at his Florida resorts and clubs, he's a little more tolerant.

The New York Times reports that since 2010 at Donald Trump's 17-acre Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Florida:

“[N]early 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired. In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries.”

[b]Trump sought 500 visas, which last between 10 months and 3 years, for vacancies at Mar-a-Lago and his other Florida properties since 2010,
mostly for workers from Europe out of hospitality colleges.

The program seeks to fill temporary positions when American workers fail to bite the bait, or all the potential applicants are unemployable. However, the Times piece notes instances where applicants were told they interviewed well, but never heard back.

These temporary worker visa programs have been under a microscope in recent months. This past summer, under one of these visa programs, Disney World
terminated 250 American employees in favor of new temporary guest workers.

While Trump made a promise to hire 50 locals following a Reuters report last summer, the New York Times also reports that Mar-a-Lago has only filled one position.
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, of course, there is Trump’s use and abuse of America’s visa programs, beyond Mar-a-Lago. Reuters reviewed Department of Labor data last August, and reports that Trump-owned companies have tried to import 1,100 workers on temporary visas since 2000. Jobs “that Americans won’t do” include waitress, cook, vineyard worker, golf-course superintendent, hotel manager, banquet manager, and maid. Additionally, American women apparently are not attractive enough for Donald Trump; the Trump Model Management and Trump Management Group LLC have sought to import 250 fashion models from overseas.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... ood-enough
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OdeToJoy » 18 Feb 2017 9:50 pm wrote:

http://ijr.com/2016/02/546532-donald-tr ... s-instead/

Donald Trump may say he wants to put a halt to illegal immigration. However, when it comes to foreign guest workers taking jobs at his Florida resorts and clubs, he's a little more tolerant.

The New York Times reports that since 2010 at Donald Trump's 17-acre Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Florida:

“[N]early 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired. In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries.”

[b]Trump sought 500 visas, which last between 10 months and 3 years, for vacancies at Mar-a-Lago and his other Florida properties since 2010,
mostly for workers from Europe out of hospitality colleges.

The program seeks to fill temporary positions when American workers fail to bite the bait, or all the potential applicants are unemployable. However, the Times piece notes instances where applicants were told they interviewed well, but never heard back.

These temporary worker visa programs have been under a microscope in recent months. This past summer, under one of these visa programs, Disney World
terminated 250 American employees in favor of new temporary guest workers.

While Trump made a promise to hire 50 locals following a Reuters report last summer, the New York Times also reports that Mar-a-Lago has only filled one position.


pure petty bull shit. keep it up and watch the DT show grow and grow. America isn't buying ur bull shit [/b]
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Racetex (RSIG) » 18 Feb 2017 10:36 pm wrote:

pure petty bull shit. keep it up and watch the DT show grow and grow. America isn't buying ur bull shit [/b]


http://theweek.com/speedreads/681043/pr ... 38-percent


President Trump's approval rating has sunk to its lowest level since his inauguration, with just 38 percent of Americans approving of his job as president, Gallup reports. Trump is now 23 points below the historical average for new presidents in mid-February, who are typically approved of by 61 percent of voters. He is also 13 points below the lowest mid-February approval rating for any other president in modern polling history, which was Bill Clinton with 51 percent.
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OdeToJoy » 18 Feb 2017 11:48 pm wrote:

http://theweek.com/speedreads/681043/pr ... 38-percent

President Trump's approval rating has sunk to its lowest level since his inauguration, with just 38 percent of Americans approving of his job as president, Gallup reports. Trump is now 23 points below the historical average for new presidents in mid-February, who are typically approved of by 61 percent of voters. He is also 13 points below the lowest mid-February approval rating for any other president in modern polling history, which was Bill Clinton with 51 percent.

Gotta love those polls. Thank god America doesn't run on them!
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OdeToJoy » 18 Feb 2017 9:00 pm wrote:
Obummerstinks » 18 Feb 2017 1:43 pm wrote:
So you're mad because they're following the legal route?

Look, there's an acceptable side and an unacceptable side to these visa's. An acceptable side IMO would be if someone has certain skills that can't be found within their own country. An unacceptable side would be an operation employing people at a lower wage when there's plenty of folks available within the country to do the job - but they're just being assholes and using it to circumvent the higher waged and available people.

Unacceptable: The computer companies on the left coast hiring Indians and whatever to do tech jobs because they don't want to pay US computer dudes a higher wage. Plenty of colleges in the US kicking out intelligent computer kids I would imagine.

Acceptable - I'll use this vineyard in a HYPOTHETICAL scenario. They have a unique wine, maybe a unique strain - that's cultivated in a unique manner. Seems every European vineyard has some "secret formula" to their product. Maybe they do it in a way they bring in old world expertise to craft something unique.

Obviously I don't know enough about wine nor their vineyard, but there may be something unique about it that does require very specific sets of skills from elsewhere
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I don't think they are bringing in people with unique skills for $11.27 per hour:

The application filed last week asks for H-2 worker visa for 23 laborers at $11.27 an hour from April through October this year.

H1b is skilled. H2 is non skilled. Few have issues with legal migrant labor.
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golfboy » 18 Feb 2017 9:31 pm wrote:
Legal or illegal?


Doesn't matter to her. She's making a "valiant attempt" to show hypocrisy in Trump - and failing miserably. The left has gone insane, but it doesn't care.
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This thread started with "Hope and Change" and then like Hope and Change, it crashed and burned when exposed to the light of day
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Obummerstinks » 18 Feb 2017 1:43 pm wrote:
So you're mad because they're following the legal route?

Look, there's an acceptable side and an unacceptable side to these visa's. An acceptable side IMO would be if someone has certain skills that can't be found within their own country. An unacceptable side would be an operation employing people at a lower wage when there's plenty of folks available within the country to do the job - but they're just being assholes and using it to circumvent the higher waged and available people.

Unacceptable: The computer companies on the left coast hiring Indians and whatever to do tech jobs because they don't want to pay US computer dudes a higher wage. Plenty of colleges in the US kicking out intelligent computer kids I would imagine.

Acceptable - I'll use this vineyard in a HYPOTHETICAL scenario. They have a unique wine, maybe a unique strain - that's cultivated in a unique manner. Seems every European vineyard has some "secret formula" to their product. Maybe they do it in a way they bring in old world expertise to craft something unique.

Obviously I don't know enough about wine nor their vineyard, but there may be something unique about it that does require very specific sets of skills from elsewhere.
Nine buck an hour humps replacing 14 buck an hour humps are not skilled workers. You're gonna need a massage, son.
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Racetex (RSIG) » 18 Feb 2017 9:07 pm wrote:
I dont see what your point is?
The point of the thread is to show tRump's hypocrisy.

I think the thread is a raging success - especially if she had a side bet that she could turn the lot of you into hemming and hawing pretzels. You can't call a spade a spade, son. That makes you a partisan hack.

At least her OP BROUGHT something. This post of yours? What - are you buying time until you can think of something intelligent to say?
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golfboy » 18 Feb 2017 9:31 pm wrote:
Legal or illegal?
Relevant or irrelevant, tardo?

The OP is very clear - there's no room for error. So this question is clearly rhetorical, dishonestly implying that the issue is relevant. It isn't.

The issue is tRump saying one thing and doing another. She made her case, cheap hack - and you made my prediction.
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